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Obama speaks for Net Neutrality

  1. Chris Haidze
    Honeycomb Nov 25, 2014

    Chris Haidze , Nov 25, 2014 :
    If Comcast screws over its customers, we're screwed (and they do). There are NO OTHER ISP's! That's the point. There is a monopoly and therefore we need the government to treat them like a utility. The government does the same for cable and wired telephone. Where there is a monopoly or duopoly, we need protection that we cannot get from a corporation. The government does not "run" the cable company or telephone company, it just offers us some protection.
     

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  2. IMLOwl
    Froyo Nov 25, 2014

    IMLOwl , Nov 25, 2014 :
    I think you'd be hard pressed to find many instances where the government actually protected consumers, even when exclaiming they are. The government is much more in the monopoly-making business than the monopoly-breaking business.
     

  3. Chris Haidze
    Honeycomb Nov 25, 2014

    Chris Haidze , Nov 25, 2014 :
    Net Neutrality has nothing to do with content that you should be allowed to see. You watch Fox much?
     

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  4. Chris Haidze
    Honeycomb Nov 25, 2014

    Chris Haidze , Nov 25, 2014 :
    Your gas, electric, cable and telephone bills would be sky high without regulation. With only 1 or 2 providers, there needs to be some regulation. Otherwise, why not keep charging more? Regulation protects us from monopolies.
     

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  5. IMLOwl
    Froyo Nov 25, 2014

    IMLOwl , Nov 25, 2014 :
    Of course, this operates under the assumption that there wouldn't be alternatives if the government didn't come in and give them the rubber stamp on their monopolies. It also operates under the assumption that the government is good at what it does and is qualified to arbitrate a market equitably and fairly. Regulation entrenches monopolies, too.
     

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  6. Chris Haidze
    Honeycomb Nov 25, 2014

    Chris Haidze , Nov 25, 2014 :
    Take a for instance....you have your next Google or Facebook or Netflix or Hulu. Comcast says, hey, you got a great product, so much that many users are using it on OUR pipelines. Because of the burden on our pipes, we need to charge you $1,000,000.00 per year. Does that stiffle innovation? Damn right it does. Does Comcast and Verizon do that now?
     

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  7. Chris Haidze
    Honeycomb Nov 25, 2014

    Chris Haidze , Nov 25, 2014 :
    Look at Comcast, Verizon, AT&T and Time Warner. They get regulated as utilities now. Are they hurting? Not really. They make more and more money, get more customers and keep adding on fees as it is. When they start to see cord cutters, they start to charge Netflix. I miss the days of dial-up (just kidding really) when there were a bunch of start up ISPs. I would bounce around for the best connection to play Duke Nukem and Quake and Asheron's Call. Now I have one choice...Comcast with a great speed of around 30mb. I could switch to Verizon dsl at 3mb. Is that a choice? Besides that, there is nothing.
     

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  8. WorkersUnited
    Honeycomb Nov 25, 2014

    WorkersUnited , Nov 25, 2014 :
    People have this misconception that Net Neutrality is this new layer of regulation. It's not.

    All the people like you who have this knee jerk "ZOMG get government out of here!" do not even know WTF Net Neutrality even is..

    Net Neutrality has always been the rule and the FCC was enforcing it from the beginning. It only changed at the beginning of this year when Verizon won a lawsuit saying they don't have the jurisdiction to do that.

    To tell it plainly. The ISP's are trying to CHANGE the internet so they can charge more.

    Net Neutrality means it STAYS EXACTLY THE SAME AS IT'S ALWAYS BEEN - no throttling, no censorship, no preferential treatment - either by business OR the government.

    Why is that so f&king hard to understand?

    You mouthbreathing idiots taking the ISP's side are only hurting yourselves. An end to Net Neutrality means less competition and higher prices for EVERYONE- including you!
     

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  9. Dr. Indest
    Lollipop Nov 25, 2014

    Dr. Indest , Nov 25, 2014 :
    No he is not. He is for government regulation. He is just fluffing it. The best way to keep net neutrality is to leave it unregulated. Competition is the best way to regulate something. Once the government starts regulating, they are given more rights to re-define their involvement and tweak the regulations.

    The government has no place on the internet. If Comcast starts shitting my internet, I will go to ATT, if they shit too, Version, then Cox, then Time Warner, then Google, etc.... Even cell-phones can act as wireless hotspots. The point is that the wild competition will prevent a company from pissing off its customers and losing business/becoming extinct in such a large pool of competition.

    Remember, at first communism always looks good, then, it becomes hell. Not to say the President embodies this, I am just making an example to highlight why government should not be given power to begin with.

    Free market has been the best checks and balances this nation has ever seen. Competition has done wonders for us as a society.
     

  10. WorkersUnited
    Honeycomb Nov 25, 2014

    WorkersUnited , Nov 25, 2014 :
    ^^^ Moron who thinks he's smart. Net neutrality protects competition and is not NEW regulation.
     

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  11. Dr. Indest
    Lollipop Nov 25, 2014

    Dr. Indest , Nov 25, 2014 :
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    If only you knew how to read.
     
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  12. Chris Haidze
    Honeycomb Nov 25, 2014

    Chris Haidze , Nov 25, 2014 :
    Where do you live where you can get high speed internet from Comcast, Verizon, ATT, Cox, Time Warner and Google? I daresay that's impossible.
     

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  13. Chris Haidze
    Honeycomb Nov 25, 2014

    Chris Haidze , Nov 25, 2014 :

    And you can't have a free market when only 1 company is allowed to put up a cable line. They become a monopoly almost instantly.
     

  14. Dr. Indest
    Lollipop Nov 25, 2014

    Dr. Indest , Nov 25, 2014 :
    I was making a point. I live in S. FL.... I can get ATT, Comcast, Verison and mobile carries if I use tethering services.... Again I was making a point. Wish I had all those options...

    Oh and lets not forget, we call all still hook up with AOL, LMAO.
     

  15. Dr. Indest
    Lollipop Nov 25, 2014

    Dr. Indest , Nov 25, 2014 :
    I agree!
     

  16. rwoods716
    KitKat Nov 25, 2014

    rwoods716 , Nov 25, 2014 :
    And the government doesn't have an incentive to control traffic? Didn't we go over the whole Smith-Mundt act? I know it was another one of my points that you never responded to...
     

  17. Devil1018
    Froyo Nov 25, 2014

    Devil1018 , Nov 25, 2014 :
    And the same one that has the unemployment rate at its lowest in a decade the dollar rising and the rest of the world starting to think, hey, maybe american's AREN'T all dipshits.


    Then there's people like you, and the previous administration, that have led to the stereotypes the world has developed about american stupidity.
     

  18. rwoods716
    KitKat Nov 25, 2014

    rwoods716 , Nov 25, 2014 :
    No, we need the government to spark competition. And net neutrality has everything to do with the content that you want to see. People have this thing where they think they don't need rights. They say that they don't care that the government spies on them because they're not a terrorist. They say they don't care if a police office searches their home without a warrant because they're not a criminal. They say it's ok if the government blocks illegal content because they don't watch kiddy porn.

    It's not a conspiracy theory that the government spies on us. It's not a conspiracy theory that the government lied about WMDs in Iraq. This is nothing new. We know that the government lies to us. There are over 3,000 small ISPs in the United States. I'd rather bet on them than trust that the government will do the right thing.
     

  19. rwoods716
    KitKat Nov 25, 2014

    rwoods716 , Nov 25, 2014 :
    I take it you're not an American, so you're clueless as to what the situation is here? That's why instead of making an intelligent statement, you just made a personal attack?
     

  20. Chris Haidze
    Honeycomb Nov 25, 2014

    Chris Haidze , Nov 25, 2014 :
    That Act, passed in 1948, looks like it only really has anything to do with the Voice of America, a radio, TV and Internet network broadcasting worldwide, intended for reception outside of the US....according to Wikipedia. I don't know if the government has incentive to control traffic. I do know that Net Neutrality is about the government regulating the providers of the internet, not the content.