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[SKETCHES][PRD] #PM CHALLENGE ➥ SecuryOOS

  1. Sridhar Ananthanarayanan Lollipop Feb 10, 2019

    Sridhar Ananthanarayanan, Feb 10, 2019 :
    You are assuming a thief knows all these things, and most importantly the assumption that he will be able to do all these things all the time. This is where you are getting it completely wrong.
     

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  2. pablofg1978 Spanish POC Assistant Head Moderator Feb 10, 2019

    pablofg1978, Feb 10, 2019 :
    and you think that thieves are idiots, good luck with that
     

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  3. Sridhar Ananthanarayanan Lollipop Feb 10, 2019

    Sridhar Ananthanarayanan, Feb 10, 2019 :
    Yes, many of them are. And you are missing the most important part. The time/ opportunity needed to do all that you are suggesting. It is often not available if the owner realises soon enough that his phone is missing.
     

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  4. pablofg1978 Spanish POC Assistant Head Moderator Feb 10, 2019

    pablofg1978, Feb 10, 2019 :
    there are too many "if" on this to work, I see no point on this, but is not my work to decide it.
    Some changes that ppl propose are beyond of what Oneplus can change, these type of changes are up to google to implement them. A oem cant change the behavior of the OS without google allows it, at least no with their certification
     

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  5. Sridhar Ananthanarayanan Lollipop Feb 10, 2019

    Sridhar Ananthanarayanan, Feb 10, 2019 :
    There are no “ifs” if you read the scenarios clearly. This is a time-bound security solution. Just as with several situations in life, how quickly you react holds the key.
     

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  6. alessiodales Gingerbread Feb 10, 2019

    alessiodales, Feb 10, 2019 :
    Thanks for your feedback,

    it is proposed to be a on/off feature (as all the other features of securyOOS) so user can choose what to do.
    There could be scenarios where users need to hide the power menu as mentioned before even just to fool a thief.

    anyway I would be glad to hear a feedback on the whole thread and not a single part.
     
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  7. pablofg1978 Spanish POC Assistant Head Moderator Feb 10, 2019

    pablofg1978, Feb 10, 2019 :
    Well, this works only
    IF the thieve is an idiot
    IF you don't have a password on the startup
    IF the thieve can't scape (he is on a bus, like you said)
    IF the thieve don't have an ejection tool (or paper clip)
    IF you notice right away that your phone was stolen
    And I can think many more cases
    If something like this would be possible, Google would implement already.
    If your phone is stolen, the best you can do is go to the police, you never know what kind of ppl stole your phone, it may not be safe for you to try to recover it yourself
     

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  8. Sridhar Ananthanarayanan Lollipop Feb 10, 2019

    Sridhar Ananthanarayanan, Feb 10, 2019 :
    1. I never said being an idiot is a requirement. I said many of them are not aware of the kind of details you are suggesting they would know, and more importantly the fact that they are unlikely to have the time/ opportunity in many instances.

    2. Yes. Majority don’t have secure boot enabled. In fact, majority don’t even know there is something like that.

    3. The feature is most useful when the user realises soon enough. Going by your logic, even Android Device Manager is useless, because there are ways to bypass it. Why does Google have it in the 1st place? Should they remove it just because there is a way to bypass it?

    4. I said the lack of time/ opportunity.

    It is you that is assuming that the feature is not useful just because a way to bypass it exists.
     

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  9. pablofg1978 Spanish POC Assistant Head Moderator Feb 10, 2019

    pablofg1978, Feb 10, 2019 :
    No "a" way, many ways, as I point it.
     

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  10. Sridhar Ananthanarayanan Lollipop Feb 10, 2019

    Sridhar Ananthanarayanan, Feb 10, 2019 :
    There is a difference between how we are looking at it. You are talking theory, I am talking practice.
     

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  11. pablofg1978 Spanish POC Assistant Head Moderator Feb 10, 2019

    pablofg1978, Feb 10, 2019 :
    and to reply you point by point
    1. I never said that you said it. But thieves works stealing, assuming that they will not know basis ways to disable your phone, well that is just naif.
    2. I think that secure boot is a security factor pretty much important that the proposed here.
    3. Android device manager is useless. At least in this case. If would work, we don't even need to talk about adding more security features.
    4. If the thief had already the opportunity to steal your phone, you have to assume that he will have the opportunity to do many more things. This is the real world.
     

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  12. pablofg1978 Spanish POC Assistant Head Moderator Feb 10, 2019

    pablofg1978, Feb 10, 2019 :
    No, you are in a fantasy world
     

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  13. Sridhar Ananthanarayanan Lollipop Feb 10, 2019


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  14. pablofg1978 Spanish POC Assistant Head Moderator Feb 10, 2019

    pablofg1978, Feb 10, 2019 :
    When the proposed security measures are a fantasy
     

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  15. toastytoast1234 Lollipop Feb 10, 2019

    toastytoast1234, Feb 10, 2019 :
    I just want to know what kind of scary buses he rides on.
     

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  16. alessiodales Gingerbread Feb 11, 2019


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  17. Ruby G. NA Community Manager Staff Member Feb 13, 2019


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  18. alessiodales Gingerbread Feb 13, 2019

    alessiodales, Feb 13, 2019 :
    Thanks @Ruby G.
    Listening other people's feedback is the starting point to get better.
    It has been a pleasure!
     

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  19. alessiodales Gingerbread Feb 20, 2019

    alessiodales, Feb 20, 2019 :
    Thread updated!
    What's new?
    - uploaded better sketches graphic.
    - updated some descriptions and general look.
     

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