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Unintended Consequences

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  1. gavgav
    Gingerbread Jun 16, 2014

    gavgav , Jun 16, 2014 :
    Thank you for backing me up.

    This forum may well get closed!
     

  2. kiahnlliya
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    kiahnlliya , Jun 16, 2014 :
    Ok, fine. A clothed 12 year old is child pornography?
     

  3. fksgs2
    Gingerbread Jun 16, 2014

    fksgs2 , Jun 16, 2014 :
    Have you seen that picture?
     

  4. HD2kitkat
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    HD2kitkat , Jun 16, 2014 :
    So, in fact, no-one knows how old he is and if something wrong has happened. Statistics for this forum will reveal a vast majority of adults, and very few minors. I see nothing in the 'hot pic' contest thread's 1.post relating to minors OR asking for anyting explicit. Looking at contest entries AND winners, it's obvious that participants didn't put much into the 'hot' part.
    In that light, terms like grooming seems far-fetched in this case, IMO.
     

  5. StessT
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    StessT , Jun 16, 2014 :
    As I have stated from the beginning, this could simply be a case of really crappy judgment.

    But the point is - anyone could clearly see that the person was *a child. This *child* cross-dressed and entered into a contest requesting "hot" pictures. Someone - presumably an adult - chose this child's picture as one of the three "hottest." Sorry. That's creepy.

    If it were a "send me your goofiest picture" contest, maybe I'd not have looked at it in such a way. If I were the adult, I'd never pick a child to win. But that's where many others and I disagree.
     

  6. StessT
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    StessT , Jun 16, 2014 :
    The child said he was 14.
    He got the invite through another member.
     

  7. beany
    Jelly Bean Jun 16, 2014

    beany , Jun 16, 2014 :
    You clearly haven't bothered reading this before jumping in. Go to the first page and looky down there.

    It was probably/possibly totally innocent. I'm accusing no one and it has nothing to do with Pete Lau.

    A grown man asking for HOT pics on a forum and getting dubious pictures from a minor would normally get moderated into oblivion. I like our moderators, but they don't seem to have the time to look at everything.
     

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  8. itsnguser
    KitKat Jun 16, 2014


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  9. laughingmonsta
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    laughingmonsta , Jun 16, 2014 :
    Unfortunately the boy who sent the picture has said himself he is 14 - a minor, this now makes this whole topic very relevant and that the person who asked people for their pictures in a very dangerous and murky place!
     

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  10. gavgav
    Gingerbread Jun 16, 2014

    gavgav , Jun 16, 2014 :
    Definition of “child pornography”

    • 163.1 (1) In this section, “child pornography” means
      • (a) a photographic, film, video or other visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means,
        • (i) that shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity, or

        • (ii) the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years;
      • (b) any written material, visual representation or audio recording that advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act;

      • (c) any written material whose dominant characteristic is the description, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act; or

      • (d) any audio recording that has as its dominant characteristic the description, presentation or representation, for a sexual purpose, of sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act.
    • Marginal note:Making child pornography
      (2) Every person who makes, prints, publishes or possesses for the purpose of publication any child pornography is guilty of
      • (a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; or

      • (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years less a day and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months.
    • Marginal note:Distribution, etc. of child pornography
      (3) Every person who transmits, makes available, distributes, sells, advertises, imports, exports or possesses for the purpose of transmission, making available, distribution, sale, advertising or exportation any child pornography is guilty of
      • (a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of one year; or

      • (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years less a day and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months.
    • Marginal note:possession of child pornography
      (4) Every person who possesses any child pornography is guilty of
      • (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months; or

      • (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 90 days.
    • Marginal note:Accessing child pornography
      (4.1) Every person who accesses any child pornography is guilty of
      • (a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of six months; or

      • (b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of 90 days.
    • Marginal note:Interpretation
      (4.2) For the purposes of subsection (4.1), a person accesses child pornography who knowingly causes child pornography to be viewed by, or transmitted to, himself or herself.

    • Marginal note:Aggravating factor
      (4.3) If a person is convicted of an offence under this section, the court that imposes the sentence shall consider as an aggravating factor the fact that the person committed the offence with intent to make a profit.

    • Marginal note:Defence
      (5) It is not a defence to a charge under subsection (2) in respect of a visual representation that the accused believed that a person shown in the representation that is alleged to constitute child pornography was or was depicted as being eighteen years of age or more unless the accused took all reasonable steps to ascertain the age of that person and took all reasonable steps to ensure that, where the person was eighteen years of age or more, the representation did not depict that person as being under the age of eighteen years.

    • Marginal note:Defence
      (6) No person shall be convicted of an offence under this section if the act that is alleged to constitute the offence
      • (a) has a legitimate purpose related to the administration of justice or to science, medicine, education or art; and

      • (b) does not pose an undue risk of harm to persons under the age of eighteen years.
    • Marginal note:Question of law
      (7) For greater certainty, for the purposes of this section, it is a question of law whether any written material, visual representation or audio recording advocates or counsels sexual activity with a person under the age of eighteen years that would be an offence under this Act.
     

  11. MiYzu
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    MiYzu , Jun 16, 2014 :
    You're right, it was him or her I don't know.
     

  12. gavgav
    Gingerbread Jun 16, 2014

    gavgav , Jun 16, 2014 :
    Can't a
    Can't agree more
     

  13. kiahnlliya
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    kiahnlliya , Jun 16, 2014 :
    I think you're being much too uptight.
    Like... much too uptight.
    And the people screaming child pornography in this thread. Keep in mind there are videos out there of toddlers being raped. What has happened on this forum has nothing to do with things like that.

    Bad judgment? Maybe, who cares? Child pornography though? Oh **** you.
     

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  14. miichael.lee
    Honeycomb Jun 16, 2014

    miichael.lee , Jun 16, 2014 :
    I agree with you completely, the invite system brings much more consequences than pro's. They should have been making a pre-order system much earlier instead of just starting to make one now.
     

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  15. StessT
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    StessT , Jun 16, 2014 :
    I never said child porn. I said "creepy" and "inappropriate." And I stand by my assertion that any adult who has chosen a child winner in a "hottest picture" contest has made an inappropriate decision.
     

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  16. beany
    Jelly Bean Jun 16, 2014

    beany , Jun 16, 2014 :
    I'm not really arguing with you in one sense. However, this is the type of behavour that groomers do and in parts of Europe moderators and web page owners would err on the side of caution.
    People that groom minors are at pains to appear nice, normal, pleasant people who would never harm you. They don't go around making it obvious what they are doing. I also said this case was probably/possibly totally innocent.
     

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  17. laughingmonsta
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    laughingmonsta , Jun 16, 2014 :
    WOW - just WOW! What a brilliant attitude to have!
     

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  18. kiahnlliya
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    kiahnlliya , Jun 16, 2014 :
    Thank you! :)
     

  19. Arrjaan
    Honeycomb Jun 16, 2014


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  20. StessT
    Ice Cream Sandwich Jun 16, 2014

    StessT , Jun 16, 2014 :
    Having horrible trouble adding links today. Someone posted it in page 1 or 2. And the kid in question said he's 14.